<div><br></div><div>This response is rough because I'm busy moving until later in the week. I hope I'll be able to resubmit a more considered response later this week...</div><ul><li>What excites you about the Lively Kernel?</li>
</ul><div>- the malleability of the environment: sculpting instead of "writing code"</div><div>- the potential for a cleanly implemented web stack, and the flexibility to be able to use alternatives to HTML and CSS.<br>
<div><ul><li>How much time do you currently put into LK?</li>
</ul></div><div>I put in more than 1000 coding hours last spring creating demos, reporting bugs, fixing bugs, experimenting with polish in Lively. Had a great time! The coding I currently do with Lively is lottery analysis for the purpose of funding to help accelerate adoption with promotion, fund contests, hire additional designers (including myself).</div>
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<li>How much time do you think you could put into LK if you got fired up?</li></ul></div>
<div>Finding a small grant or winning the lottery would fire me up. Then I would work with Lively 8+ hours most every day. (I am not really trying to be amusing here.) :-)<br><ul><li>What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like to do for LK ?</li>
</ul><div>- create a demo project which mimics a typical slick vertically scrolling webpage and illustrate how it's more malleable than using HTML and CSS. (rollover link effects, rollover menu effects, etc. )</div>
<div>- create documentation for Lively ENTIRELY as code examples and snippets and integrate with the ide</div><div>- enhance and polish the ide. Jens and Robert are doing amazing work but much more usability and polish are needed for me to want to switch to using the ide.</div>
<div>- there's more stuff: these may not be my top three: I'll need to revisit.</div><div><ul><li>What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like someone else to do for LK?</li></ul><div> (Dan I need to come back to these : I do like the one's you have listed...)</div>
<div> Get collaboration (multiple Morphic hands) working</div>
<div> Add a nice database interface (JSON/Java based: dovetaildb, persevere, etc.)</div><div> Separate the Canvas and SVG layers and make Canvas fast</div><div> Remove LK's dependence on XML in favor of JSON</div>
<div> Create a wikipedia entry for Lively</div>
<ul><li>Any other random comments you'd like to make, or links to share?</li>
</ul></div><div>About me: Two significant influences on my software career and creative skills: 1. performing magic as a child 2. English studies in college instilled how to compose clean, disciplined, pretty code. I am an author.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Random comment: LK could use a benefactor.</div><div><br></div><div>More later,</div><div>Philip Weaver</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Dan Ingalls <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:DanHHIngalls@gmail.com" target="_blank">DanHHIngalls@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Good People of Lively -<br>
<br>
Several forces are converging, and it makes me want to see who's<br>
really out there these days, and who might be interested in pushing<br>
Lively up onto the next plateau.<br>
<br>
<br>
Water over the dam<br>
It's been five months since I've been really active with Lively. I<br>
might have been a bit more active except that time included a job<br>
change (from Sun to SAP). It is not yet clear how much of my energy<br>
I can devote to Lively in my new job, but it's a huge improvement in<br>
energy flow to be away from the JavaFX juggernaut. Finally, as I had<br>
hoped, we now have Lively moved to neutral territory at HPI where the<br>
climate is truly enthusiastic.<br>
<br>
<br>
Let's have a party<br>
If you all lived in the neighborhood, I'd have us over for beer and<br>
pizza so we could get to know each other, find out what each is most<br>
interested in, and plot some next steps that could be fun for all of<br>
us. Presumably we're all on the mailing list because there is<br>
something about Lively that got us excited, and chances are that if<br>
we work together a bit (or even just discuss it for a while), we'll<br>
come up with a merry prank or two. So let's go around the room once<br>
and, even if you think you've already done this, send in a message<br>
that briefly tells...<br>
<br>
What excites you about the Lively Kernel?<br>
How much time do you currently put into LK?<br>
How much time do you think you could put into LK if you got fired up?<br>
What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like to do for LK ?<br>
What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like someone else to do for LK?<br>
Any other random comments you'd like to make, or links to share?<br>
<br>
<br>
My two cents<br>
Just to break the ice, I'll start off with my intro. At first I<br>
thought I shouldn't do this in case it would influence others, but<br>
then I thought I would go ahead anyway for pretty much the same<br>
reason. Go figure ;-).<br>
<br>
What excites you about the Lively Kernel?<br>
I grew up doing physics experiments in my basement. To me<br>
computers are exquisite laboratories, but there is no mainstream<br>
software that lets you play around and do experiments. Things are<br>
actually worse than 30 years ago when every computer came with<br>
Basic. An entire generation is growing up thinking all you can do is<br>
run Windows and maybe program Java in Eclipse if you want to spend a<br>
year or two learning. To me the Lively Kernel is a chance to build<br>
something like Squeak -- a *simple* live graphical composition<br>
environment with everything programmable -- and make it as accessible<br>
in every browser, and able to share our creations with everyone as<br>
web pages.<br>
How much time do you currently put into LK?<br>
About 1 hour a day (more today ;-)<br>
How much time do you think you could put into LK if you got fired up?<br>
2 hours a day, more if I can make it relevant at SAP (working<br>
on that ;-)<br>
What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like to do for LK ?<br>
Make it the best and coolest tool to put together a slide show<br>
Then every time we give talks we will be advertising LK<br>
Also subsumes the goal of simple web site creation<br>
Make an Open App Store<br>
LK runs on iPhone, iPad, and may other cell phones<br>
So we could do our own App Store right now<br>
Add more constraints -- connectors, physics modelling, etc<br>
What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like someone else to do for LK?<br>
Get LK working with Google Docs and other popular systems<br>
Remove LK's dependence on XML in favor of JSON<br>
Separate the Canvas and SVG layers and make Canvas fast<br>
Add a nice database interface.<br>
Get collaboration (multiple Morphic hands) working<br>
Any other random comments you'd like to make?<br>
I was going to add "Rewrite the whole system", but I don't<br>
think we need to do that just yet. LK is good enough to do good<br>
things, and I think we need to create some fun for ourselves and some<br>
buzz on the outside. I've got toms of other ideas, when the time<br>
comes ;-)<br>
<br>
<br>
Other good news<br>
Jens and Robert have been quiet, but they have not been idle. In<br>
addition to their normal load of school work they have managed to<br>
recreate the Lively Kernel home at HPI, along with mail list,<br>
repository and other bits of forward-looking organization...<br>
<a href="http://www.lively-kernel.org/" target="_blank">http://www.lively-kernel.org/</a><br>
They've also been doing some cool new work in LK, for example...<br>
<a href="http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/draft/ConnectExamples.xhtml" target="_blank">http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/draft/ConnectExamples.xhtml</a><br>
And finally, Jens is about to offer a seminar at HPI in which student<br>
teams will choose and work on various Lively Kernel projects...<br>
<a href="http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/ProjectSeminar2010/ProjectSeminarSlides.xhtml" target="_blank">http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/ProjectSeminar2010/ProjectSeminarSlides.xhtml</a><br>
Hopefully we will hear more about this activity as soon as it starts up.<br>
<br>
I'm hoping the idea of Lively projects spreads to other universities.<br>
Ours is a system in which students can see how everything works,<br>
change it themselves, and experience real personal computing. It's a<br>
good counter to the much heavier Java/Eclipse curriculum offerings.<br>
<br>
<br>
Y'all write back and tell us what you're up to<br>
<br>
- Dan<br>
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