<div>Thanks for the encouragement.</div><div><br></div>I like the direction that you're taking with these, in particular the coding screens. One of my ongoing problems with Smalltalk (in particular VisualWorks) is being overwhelmed by different categorization concepts (even when I mostly understand these things I spend far too much time fighting with them).<div> <br></div><div>What are the main organizational concepts in Lively? What are Areas, Workspaces, Packages and Classes?</div><div><br></div><div>I am somewhat bemused by the way Javascript builds class-instance behaviour on top of a prototype system (although it's been a while since I read much about it, so I might be mistaken). Does Lively retain the idea of classes or is it purely a prototype system?</div> <div><br></div><div>A friend suggested that Lively might be a good environment to learn Javascript but I'd like to have a better idea of how people manage dependencies among various libraries. It seems that managing a pool of *.js files also needs to represented. Does Lively let you mix and match other Javascript libraries? If so, would it be possible to add visual tools to help with this or is the fundamental browser model too restrictive for that?</div> <div><br></div><div>Hopefully this isn't off topic or if I'm repeating FAQs. I think I might be able to help visualize things better if I understood them a bit more.</div><div><br></div><div>Steve<br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Philip Weaver <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philmaker@gmail.com">philmaker@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> Hi Lawson,<div><br></div><div>I am wanting to collaborate with a couple of people on UI mockups. But if you're also interested in coding now I'm sure that Dan, Robert, and Jens will find a way for you to contribute. I hope you're also interested in helping to re-imagine the user interface for Lively. Regardless I'll be sure to copy you on emails.</div> <div><br></div><div>Below is just a start but I'll explain soon what more I hope we accomplish:</div><div><br></div><div><div class="im"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/</a><br> <br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote"> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Lawson English <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lenglish5@cox.net" target="_blank">lenglish5@cox.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> I have time on my hands and much interest in this project for many reasons (e.g. serving a LK wiki from seaside). I'll be happy to help however I can.<br> <br> Lawson<div><div></div><div><br> <br> On 6/22/10 7:58 PM, Philip Weaver wrote: </div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div>Hi Steve, thanks for writing. <div><br> </div> <div>The goal really is to help others visualize what potential Lively has, help modernize, and to keep conversation going. Dan, Jens, Robert, and HPI are always committing to the repository - but Lively needs some more structure (and perhaps illustration support). I'm aware of every web-based toolkit and, still, nothing else compares. Several other web toolkits are very, very polished but nothing else supports direct manipulation and vectors.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Steve, your background is awesome and you have more artistic ability than you may think. I know that you have good taste. :-) The main thing is please try to find time to keep this conversation going to help generate more interest beyond 98 mailing list subscribers.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>I hope to add a design document with explanation and goals over the next day or so.</div> <div><br> </div> <div><a href="http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/</a></div> <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks,</div> <div>Philip</div> <div><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Steve Wart <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@wart.ca" target="_blank">steve@wart.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">My artistic ability is pretty much nil but I wholeheartedly support this idea. 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