Inline...<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dan Ingalls <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danhhingalls@gmail.com" target="_blank">danhhingalls@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div> <div>Hi, Phil -</div> <div><br></div> <div>Although I haven't said a word until now, it's only because I was travelling and am still juggling a bunch of different responsibilities.</div> <div><br></div> <div> I really like what you did.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Grazie Dan. Keeping the dream alive!</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div> <div>I've been trying to juggle the notions of worlds and menus and palettes for the many possible modes of use of lively, and I think that tab-based palette panels are ideal. Integrating this with browsing is also very cool.</div> <div><br></div> <div>I made a run at common code for windows and tabs at one point, which should reduce the work to merely making palettes work with windows, except it appears that code didn't make it through one of the windows updates. My theory was that tabbed panels are exactly like windows from the standpoint of the content, and the only real difference is in the behavior of the two kinds of tabs. If I get some time, I'll get this part working again.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am interested in analyzing traits of among various kinds of controls: list with multiple selection ~= a column of checkboxes, list with single selection ~= a column of radio buttons, a column browser is potentially similar to a tabbed interface, Microsoft's ribbons are really just menus with a tabbed interface, a hierarchical menu is essentially a compact column browser. I don't have much more to say about this tonight so I'll probably just draw.</div> <div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div> <div>The other thought I had, which I've voiced here before, is that we need to make it a primary goal to have Lively be the vehicle of choice for us to do such mockups and presentations. It was this commitment that made Squeak into the wonderful media tool that it is. Furthermore, it's just not that hard. If we just had 3 or 4 of us working on it for a month I think we could reach a major plateau.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do understand how this looks. Maybe someday I'll change my email address from philmaker to troublemaker. ;-) Again, Google Drawings does export to SVG.</div> <div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div> <div>So I guess this could be a companion message to yours -- folks who want a no-coding project could help you out, and those who want some simple (*) coding projects could help make Lively into a better composition environment.</div></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div> <div>And let's not forget the real challenge:</div> <div> - to be able to build Phil's vision faster in LK than to mock it up elsewhere ;-)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>These are just some highlights for improving vector illustration support in Lively:</div><div><br></div><div>* shape library</div><div>* shape/morph copy and paste support</div> <div>* shape/morph undo support</div><div>* rework morph selection to be more modern (e.g. do not immediately pickup a morph on click)</div><div>* snap to grid, guidelines</div><div>* grouping, locking, visibility, ordering (send to back, send to front)</div> <div>* continue to refine the styling panel (possibly begin with: the hundreds of tiny swatch morphs are very slow on old hardware)</div><div><br></div><div>- Philip</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div> <div> - Dan</div> <div><br></div> <div>(*) truly these are simple tweaks for the most part -- nothing like getting WebDAV or SVG working. If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll post a starting task list in the next few days</div> <div><br></div> <blockquote type="cite">Seventy-eight people are subscribed to this mailing list for Lively. Eighteen people are subscribed to the digest. I want to find at least one individual who has interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's future and to help keep conversation related to this on this mailing list alive daily. No coding involved necessarily and it ought to be fun and rewarding.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">I made an effort to get started over at Google Drawings - Google Drawings already supports live collaboration. At some point these drawings could be exported as SVG and imported into Lively worlds. I'm also currently working on a design document to explain some of these drawings and related concepts.</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/</a></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Thanks,</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite">Philip Weaver</blockquote> <blockquote type="cite"><br> _______________________________________________<br> lively-kernel mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de" target="_blank">lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a><br> <a href="http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel" target="_blank">http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel</a></blockquote> <div><br></div> </div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> lively-kernel mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de" target="_blank">lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a><br> <a href="http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel" target="_blank">http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div>