<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18939"> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Somewhat related to this topic:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://livelygoes3d.blogspot.com/">http://livelygoes3d.blogspot.com/</A></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Another comment:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Philip Weaver wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV>> When Lively was at Sun one of the first implementations</DIV> <DIV>> I think was not browser-based. But that was probably in</DIV> <DIV>> 2007 and Dan, Robert, or Jens can probably better answer this. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>That is correct.  The first version of Lively (then known as "Flair"</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>or "ScriptBrowser" was implemented on top of the SpiderMonkey</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>JavaScript VM and ran on Windows and Nokia 770/800/810 web tablets.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There's a summary of the ScriptBrowser work in </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>this technical report:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><A href="http://research.sun.com/techrep/2008/abstract-177.html">http://research.sun.com/techrep/2008/abstract-177.html</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This was a very different beast compared to the Rhino-based</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>(and later SVG-based) </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>LK implementation that was started a bit later.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>-- Antero</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=socinian@gmail.com href="mailto:socinian@gmail.com">Darius Clarke</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lenglish5@cox.net href="mailto:lenglish5@cox.net">lenglish5@cox.net</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de href="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de">lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 03, 2010 12:56 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [lively-kernel] Lively Kernel as plugin without requiring afull webbrowser?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Lawson,  <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Wouldn't that describe Google's O3D effort? <DIV>But they ditched the plug-in earlier this year for a pure JS to Web Browser solution, now relying on WebGL and Canvas.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/">http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/</A> </DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>- Darius<BR><BR> <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Lawson English <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:lenglish5@cox.net">lenglish5@cox.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=gmail_quote> How difficult would it be to divorce LK from the webbrowser? If some<BR>hypothetical LK plugin were given a handle to a buffer of some kind, how<BR>much work would it take to make LK a plugin without dragging all of html<BR>with it?<BR><BR><BR>The reason why I ask is that LK would make a great game engine GUI in<BR>many contexts.<BR><BR><BR>Lawson<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>lively-kernel mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de">lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de</A><BR><A href="http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel" target=_blank>http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV> <P> <HR> <P></P>_______________________________________________<BR>lively-kernel mailing list<BR>lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de<BR>http://lists.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/listinfo/lively-kernel<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>