<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Sure ...</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Cheers,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Alan</span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> R.D. Latimer <rdlatimer@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Alan Kay <alan.nemo@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de" <lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday,
August 23, 2011 7:41 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lively-kernel] Using Lively Fabrik in Elementary school program<br></font><br><div id="yiv402937744">Thanks for these links, I'll read through them,<br><br>Also, just checking if you're aware of Scratch's evolution to BYOB (ability to write your own procedures/functions), at Berkeley<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://byob.berkeley.edu/">http://byob.berkeley.edu/</a><br>
<br>Randy<br><br><div class="yiv402937744gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Alan Kay <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com">alan.nemo@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv402937744gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt;"><div><span>Scratch was done by many of the same people who did Etoys.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div>
<div><span>In some ways it is nicer and/or more convenient, and in other ways it is quite a bit more limiting, especially in the simulation and media spaces.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Check out: </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/rn2005001_learning.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/rn2005001_learning.pdf</a> for an overview of Etoys vis a vis learning</div>
<div><br></div><div>and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.vpri.org/pdf/rn2005002_authoring.pdf">http://www.vpri.org/pdf/rn2005002_authoring.pdf</a> for an overview of Etoys as programmable media</div><div><br></div><div>
Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Alan<br></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt;">
<div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><div class="yiv402937744im"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> R.D. Latimer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rdlatimer@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rdlatimer@gmail.com">rdlatimer@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Alan Kay <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com">alan.nemo@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de">lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de">lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:38 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lively-kernel] Using Lively Fabrik in Elementary school program<br></font><div>
<div></div><div class="yiv402937744h5"><br><div>We're developing a programming/critical thinking course at an elementary school here in Fairfax county Va. <br>We'd like to at least let the kids work some with what's
there on the site<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/Fabrik.xhtml">http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/Fabrik.xhtml</a><br>
<br>I realize this probably hasn't been developed into a full-fledged curriculum, however it looks like a great idea.<br><br>Is this the EToys link?<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.squeakland.org/">http://www.squeakland.org/</a><br>
I'll take a look<br><br>An overview of languages we're planning on so far -<br>Sliding blocks for language statements:<br>Squeak (MIT)<br><br>Sliding blocks + defining your own procedures/functions<br>BYOB/Snap (Berkeley)<br>
<br>Typing in statements, and defining your own procedures/functions<br>Bootstrapworld (Scheme, WeScheme, DrRacket)<br>Logo, NetLogo (Northwestern)<br><br>More advanced - <br>Python, Processing language<br><br>The Squeakland and Ebots looks interesting, I haven't looked through that yet, but I'll do that.<br>
<br>If anyone would like links to any of these languages I can provide them<br><br>Thanks,<br>Randy Latimer<br><br><br><br><br><div>On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Alan Kay <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com">alan.nemo@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt;">
<div><span>To lively folks,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Why not do an Etoys in lively as well? (it was originally done in Morphic and will probably fit the lively architecture pretty well)</span></div>
<div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Cheers<br></span></div><div><br></div><div>Alan<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px;"><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:14pt;">
<div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> R.D. Latimer <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rdlatimer@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rdlatimer@gmail.com">rdlatimer@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de">lively-kernel@hpi.uni-potsdam.de</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 22, 2011 7:02 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [lively-kernel] Using Lively Fabrik in Elementary school program<br></font><div><div></div><div><br><div>We're working on a course introducing elementary school students, k-6, to programming and critical thinking skills.<br>
<br>We'd like to use Lively Fabrik as one of the components of the course.<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/Fabrik.xhtml">http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/Fabrik.xhtml</a><br>
<br>Are there other examples of Fabrik in addition to this page?<br><br>Thanks for your help,<br>Randy Latimer<br><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rdlatimer@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rdlatimer@gmail.com">rdlatimer@gmail.com</a> Virginia, US<br>
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