<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: medium;">Dan Ingalls<a href="mailto:lively-kernel%40hpi.uni-potsdam.de?Subject=%5Blively-kernel%5D%20New%20Release%20coming%20-%20Alpha%20testers%20welcome&In-Reply-To=" title="[lively-kernel] New Release coming - Alpha testers welcome"></a>, back in Jul 11, 2011, wrote: <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: medium;"> <pre>We have refactored the rendering architecture so that it can equally easily support not only SVG and Canvas, but also standard HTML and CSS.</pre> I've had fun playing around with the <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: medium;">sneak peak at Lively 2.0.  Seems to work for me in Chrome.  I've enjoyed poking trough the code base, then went off and read the OMeta/JS paper.  A big thank you to all the folks that make it happen! What prompted my revisiting lively was that I want to play with three.js, but I have no interest in messing with HTML/CSS ...  I *think* I can get the .external HTML shape rendering to put a canvas tag on the page, and then I *think* I can figure out how to get webgl drawing 3d in the 'viewport'.  *Then* I can connect sample webgl/three.js programs hooked up to some simple GUI written in Lively  (My very first experiment will be -- what do these camera controls do?).  Thats my rough plan. So my question is: How committed to the HTML/CSS rendering is the project?  Can't have canvas open with both a 2d context and a 3d context (though if you've messed with the Secondlife client as much as I have it is an obvious usecase.) Of the three options for rendering, which has the best performance currently: svg, canvas, html/css? Jay </body> </html>