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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks for the reply, Casey,<br>
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The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of accessing
the Internet securely - school IT departments have an issue - they
don't know who/what/ squeak is and going through the red tape is a
potential problem. And the web-browser plugin was always a bit of
an issue as well. I don't know if anyone is working on the plugin
for web browsers... but I want to deploy for easy inclusion in a
browser... or at the very least connect to the net.<br>
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I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on the
Squeak-dev ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a production
environment (which I admit I haven't actually defined what
"production" means)<br>
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thanks again,<br>
brad<br>
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On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:<br>
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type="cite">Etoys is in real use in real schools all over the
place. I use it as a replacement for HyperCard at times myself. If
you can be more specific about what's making you nervous about
Etoys, that might help folks steer you in the right direction. If
you pull up the preferences browser via the halo on the Etoys
desktop, search for etoyfriendly, and disable it, you'll unlock
the underlying Smalltalk programming environment (Squeak.) Squeak
is *definitely* production (or maybe "product") worthy.
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<div>Another system which is a bit easier to learn, but
generally less powerful, is Scratch.</div>
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<div>Lively Kernel is a research system, so it's less likely to
be "product like" than those two if that's what you're looking
for.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Brad
Fuller <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hi All,<br>
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New to the list. Have several questions that Dan suggested
you would have great insight.<br>
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I'm researching better ways to help kids experientially
learn (K-8 primarily but up to college is planned). I have
not yet found a platform or system better than etoys. But,
etoys is not quite a production platform. And, I would
like platform/system to be accessible everywhere. I've
also contemplated deploying Django and writing the apps in
Python.<br>
<br>
My questions: are there better alternatives? Could you
offer avenues for further research into a production
system? Would the lively-kernel be a good alternative? Or
will it continue to be a prototyping system? Could I start
a demo on lively-kernel and expect I could port it to a
production environment (that is if lively-kernel or
facsimile is planned for production.)<br>
<br>
Thanks much!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
brad<br>
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