[General] Is there any interest in porting Lively to Flash 9?
pmuellr at muellerware.org
Fri Feb 22 02:59:43 CET 2008
On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Andy Burnett wrote:
> I believe it is a long standing practice on the internet that
> Newbies are allowed to ask at least one heretical question a day.
> So... I am wondering whether the Flash VM is a possible target for
> Lively? I know that the idea is to try to avoid plug-ins, it is
> just that Flash 9 seems to be so fast - and so widely available -
> that it could be a fantastic platform for the system.
I suspect you are thinking of Flex / ActionScript 3.0. I think one of
the problems is that AS 3 is lacking some of the uber-dynamic features
you "edit a method", the method body is eval'd (or passed into
Function(), which I believe is also unavailable), and then attached to
the relevant object (class?). You might imagine rigging something up
where you send 'classes' to reload to a server, which compiles them to
ABC (AS 3.0 bytecode format), and then hope that there's some way of
dynamically loading the .abc file in a running Flash movie.
Alternatively, write a compiler in AS 3.0 that compiles 'source' to an
ABC format, and then use a dynamic loading capability to 'load' the
Both seem pretty painful.
Another option might be to use Flash as the UI, but use 'browser JS'
in the browser as your 'code'. Since I believe you can bi-
directionally talk between a Flash movie and browser JS. Still seems
But here's the killer for me. Flex currently doesn't support the
mouse wheel on the Mac to scroll through scrollable things. Making it
totally useless as a UI framework for me. Anymore, the only use I
have for scroll bars, almost anywhere, is the visual feedback; the
inane precise mousing required to drive it is frankly nuts.
Lots of assumptions here; please correct me if I'm wrong!
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