[lively-kernel] lively-kernel Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2

[Jay Hardesty]

An outside, admittedly narrow data point, FWIW:

> What excites you about the Lively Kernel?

I have years' worth of algorithmic music apps developed in Squeak, but
getting them into people's hands has largely meant putting aside
Morphic for alternative front ends such as Seaside and Croquet (and
Flash and Obj-C and Java and ...)

Javascript would still be some "porting", but the libraries and the
Morphic-like UI seem Squeak-like enough to make the idea of moving
appropriate Squeak-developed apps directly onto the web (without the
usual intervening layers) attractively feasible.

> How much time do you currently put into LK?

So far just limited hours getting some familiarity with LK,
investigating music/MIDI possibilities for javascript.

> How much time do you think you could put into LK if you got fired up?

If it become my main "after-work" project then typically 20-30 hours/week

> What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like to do for LK ?

Objects and apps for varying and hybridizing musical scores.
Morphic style widgets for control and visualization of musical structure.
Rendering MIDI data into audio (via Quicktime is the only current
solution there I suppose?)

> What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like someone else to do for LK?

If someone pointed me toward a Quicktime solution already sort of in
place that'd be nice (unexpected though)

> Any other random comments you'd like to make, or links to share?

Some Squeak-based music projects at http://tone23.org (apps served by
my home machine not online all of the time though - hence the interest
in LK!)

-Jay



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>   1. Time for another run at the fence? (Dan Ingalls)
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> From: Dan Ingalls <DanHHIngalls at gmail.com>
> Subject: [lively-kernel] Time for another run at the fence?
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> Good People of Lively -
>
> Several forces are converging, and it makes me want to see who's
> really out there these days, and who might be interested in pushing
> Lively up onto the next plateau.
>
>
> Water over the dam
> It's been five months since I've been really active with Lively.  I
> might have been a bit more active except that time included a job
> change (from Sun to SAP).  It is not yet clear how much of my energy
> I can devote to Lively in my new job, but it's a huge improvement in
> energy flow to be away from the JavaFX juggernaut.  Finally, as I had
> hoped, we now have Lively moved to neutral territory at HPI where the
> climate is truly enthusiastic.
>
>
> Let's have a party
> If you all lived in the neighborhood, I'd have us over for beer and
> pizza so we could get to know each other, find out what each is most
> interested in, and plot some next steps that could be fun for all of
> us.  Presumably we're all on the mailing list because there is
> something about Lively that got us excited, and chances are that if
> we work together a bit (or even just discuss it for a while), we'll
> come up with a merry prank or two.  So let's go around the room once
> and, even if you think you've already done this, send in a message
> that briefly tells...
>
> What excites you about the Lively Kernel?
> How much time do you currently put into LK?
> How much time do you think you could put into LK if you got fired up?
> What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like to do for LK ?
> What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like someone else to do for LK?
> Any other random comments you'd like to make, or links to share?
>
>
> My two cents
> Just to break the ice, I'll start off with my intro.  At first I
> thought I shouldn't do this in case it would influence others, but
> then I thought I would go ahead anyway for pretty much the same
> reason.  Go figure ;-).
>
> What excites you about the Lively Kernel?
>        I grew up doing physics experiments in my basement.  To me
> computers are exquisite laboratories, but there is no mainstream
> software that lets you play around and do experiments.  Things are
> actually  worse than 30 years ago when every computer came with
> Basic.  An entire generation is growing up thinking all you can do is
> run Windows and maybe program Java in Eclipse if you want to spend a
> year or two learning.  To me the Lively Kernel is a chance to build
> something like Squeak -- a *simple* live graphical composition
> environment with everything programmable -- and make it as accessible
> in every browser, and able to share our creations with everyone as
> web pages.
> How much time do you currently put into LK?
>        About 1 hour a day (more today ;-)
> How much time do you think you could put into LK if you got fired up?
>        2 hours a day, more if I can make it relevant at SAP (working
> on that ;-)
> What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like to do for LK ?
>        Make it the best and coolest tool to put together a slide show
>                Then every time we give talks we will be advertising LK
>                Also subsumes the goal of simple web site creation
>        Make an Open App Store
>                LK runs on iPhone, iPad, and may other cell phones
>                So we could do our own App Store right now
>        Add more constraints -- connectors, physics modelling, etc
> What are the top 3 or 4 things you would like someone else to do for LK?
>        Get LK working with Google Docs and other popular systems
>        Remove LK's dependence on XML in favor of JSON
>        Separate the Canvas and SVG layers and make Canvas fast
>        Add a nice database interface.
>        Get collaboration (multiple Morphic hands) working
> Any other random comments you'd like to make?
>        I was going to add "Rewrite the whole system", but I don't
> think we need to do that just yet.  LK is good enough to do good
> things, and I think we need to create some fun for ourselves and some
> buzz on the outside.   I've got toms of other ideas, when the time
> comes ;-)
>
>
> Other good news
> Jens and Robert have been quiet, but they have not been idle.  In
> addition to their normal load of school work they have managed to
> recreate the Lively Kernel home at HPI, along with mail list,
> repository and other bits of forward-looking organization...
>        http://www.lively-kernel.org/
> They've also been doing some cool new work in LK, for example...
>        http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/draft/ConnectExamples.xhtml
> And finally, Jens is about to offer a seminar at HPI in which student
> teams will choose and work on various Lively Kernel projects...
>        http://lively-kernel.org/repository/webwerkstatt/ProjectSeminar2010/ProjectSeminarSlides.xhtml
> Hopefully we will hear more about this activity as soon as it starts up.
>
> I'm hoping the idea of Lively projects spreads to other universities.
> Ours is a system in which students can see how everything works,
> change it themselves, and experience real personal computing.  It's a
> good counter to the much heavier Java/Eclipse curriculum offerings.
>
>
> Y'all write back and tell us what you're up to
>
>        - Dan
>
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