[lively-kernel] Waving the red flag

Jens Lincke jens.lincke at hpi.uni-potsdam.de
Thu Jul 1 11:00:11 CEST 2010

Hi Philip and Richard,

apropos Zooming: we build in Mac like simple zooming a while ago....




Am 01.07.10 05:12, schrieb Philip Weaver:
> Hello Richard,
> In April you wrote: "What would it take to make it easy to construct 
> and navigate such a zoom world in Lively Kernel?"
> I hope you can spend some time to answer this question with a drawing:
>     * http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYWzJ6ByFTvFZGhqNmI2cGhfMjc5Z2Q3cjlrZ2Y&hl=en
>       <http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AYWzJ6ByFTvFZGhqNmI2cGhfMjc5Z2Q3cjlrZ2Y&hl=en>
>     * http://www.lively-kernel.org/repository/lively-wiki/index.xhtml
> Thanks,
> Philip Weaver
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Richard Karpinski 
> <dickkarpinski at gmail.com <mailto:dickkarpinski at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Hello Dan and everybody,
>     Smalltalk is wonderful. Making it work in virtually every browser
>     by coding the base system in Javascript is very clever and could
>     be marvelously useful. Enriching the current code to make Lively
>     Kernel suitable for awesome presentations well beyond what
>     PowerPoint could dream of has much appeal for me. I love neat
>     things that are useful and can be acquired inexpensively in money
>     and time. When such things have unbounded utility, Pavlov sets in
>     and I slather and drool. Keep it up, man. I don't mind that my
>     shirt gets wet.
>     But wait. How long does it take for someone to be comfortable
>     navigating around in a Lively Kernel world?
>     I'm sure it's not one of those things that takes weeks to get
>     into, but I worry that it might take an hour or two. What I want
>     is a system that computer experts can become competent with in
>     only a few minutes. It would be truly great if novices could get
>     there even faster. But who knows how to build such a system?
>     Today, I think no one knows how to do that. However, the late Jef
>     Raskin, father of the Macintosh and author of "The Humane
>     Interface", did. Given a charter to assist in getting around in a
>     patient's chart which was impossible to read when fully displayed
>     and awkward to navigate when magnified to be readable, Jef used
>     zooming to good effect. He wanted to call it a Flying User
>     Interface, not only because he liked flying and it felt like that,
>     but especially so he could call it (phonetically) a Phooey. He was
>     like that.
>     Anyway, he discussed the system in his book, but he left out some
>     details. When computer experts were trained to use the system.
>     they became comfortable and competent in less than TWO minutes.
>     But when utter novices, who maybe recognized the mouse as a thing
>     to push around, not speak into as Scotty did, they became fully
>     functional with the system in less than ONE minute.
>     I really like that. I want that. With such a system I could teach
>     a three year old to use it, or a 93 year old, or even a college
>     professor. I am NOT kidding, the first and second examples may
>     have time to spare, but the prof does not.
>     Why does it work so well? My theory is that for tens of millions
>     of years, our ancestors made it back to the nest, or we would not
>     be here today. Thus the talent for geographic navigation is built
>     into our DNA. We do not forget where the fridge is or where the
>     couch is. Often we can get to such places in the dark. If our
>     computer world is so arranged, people won't get lost so often. If
>     we can follow links by rolling into a thumbnail and can return by
>     recrossing that border it will seem natural to us.
>     What would it take to make it easy to construct and navigate such
>     a zoom world in Lively Kernel?
>     Richard
>     -- 
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