[lively-kernel] Feedback is Coming

Philip Weaver philmaker at gmail.com
Mon Jul 5 03:06:04 CEST 2010

I posted a feedback document
It's not quite as dramatic as my last email. :-) It's not perfect - I'd
rather be drawing.

Break rules. Don't be afraid to stray from Morphic conventions or Smalltalk
conventions. Lively needs to foremost become a vector drawing application.
It's familiar. It's explainable. It has immediate value and traction.


On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Philip Weaver <philmaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have plenty of feedback for this project. I am usually too polite - but
> now my feedback will not all be positive. Some pet projects need to be
> killed. Some need to be excluded. Some aspects need to be modernized. As a
> whole the core project UI needs to be reworked and polished. This is
> probably extremely hard to justify inside an academic environment. The
> overall message of Lively (and video demos) needs work. This project has the
> potential to change the world. If I hurt anyone please just suck it up. I am
> angry at this situation of few contributors and no funding.
> The Lively Kernel project has been public for over two and half years. In
> April of this year I had to nag to create a Wikipedia page for the project.
> Dan mentioned the Sencha project in a recent email. The fact that they are
> now a competitor to this project and recently acquired 14 million dollars
> set me off. I am angry - but not at anyone in particular. If no one is
> exploring any degree of funding to help propel this project or derivatives
> then that is a great tragedy. Non-profit or commercial - still a great
> tragedy. Equally, the fact that Lively is not spreading to other
> institutions is also a tragedy.
> I recently did some mockups <http://tinyurl.com/lively-mockups/> for
> Lively in Google Drawings instead of the wiki. Jens sent an email reminding
> the 98 mailing list subscribers to remember to use the wiki. I have been the
> most active external user of the Lively wiki - however that was last spring.
> The wiki is one of the coolest aspects of this project. I am not currently
> using Lively or the wiki much due to extremely inadequate hardware. Due to
> the level of my own personal standards of quality, drawing in the wiki is
> going to completely frustrate me. The problem of few using the wiki needs to
> be solved. Polish the UI. Find more users beyond the 98 on the mailing list.
> Find funding.
> So I have more feedback coming. I'll try to be kind. I am angry. Suck it
> up.
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