[lively-kernel] Lively IDE Mockups

[Philip Weaver]

I want to find at least one individual on this mailing list who has interest
in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's future and to help keep
conversation related to this alive daily.


Dan, I very much understand how drawing Lively mockups in Google Docs might
be interpreted. I used to work at Apple and I understand the concept "not
invented here." I also understand the preference to develop Lively and
Smalltalk directly within itself.


Yesterday evening I watched "The Pixar Story" on television. John Lassiter
explained "Artists challenge the programmers. Programmers inspire the
artists." This might be a challenge. Mockups I create will develop in Google
Drawings until Lively becomes an application for vector illustration. Google
Drawings does export to SVG.



Some people look at an empty canvas and see nothing. Others look at Lively
and don't understand. I want to help them understand today.


I want to find at least one individual (out of 98) on this mailing list who
has interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's future and to help
keep conversation related to this alive daily.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dan Ingalls <danhhingalls at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi, Phil -
>
> Although I haven't said a word until now, it's only because I was
> travelling and am still juggling a bunch of different responsibilities.
>
>         I really like what you did.
>
> I've been trying to juggle the notions of worlds and menus and palettes for
> the many possible modes of use of  lively, and I think that tab-based
> palette panels are ideal.  Integrating this with browsing is also very cool.
>
> I made a run at common code for windows and tabs at one point, which should
> reduce the work to merely making palettes work with windows, except it
> appears that code didn't make it through one of the windows updates.  My
> theory was that tabbed panels are exactly like windows from the standpoint
> of the content, and the only real difference is in the behavior of the two
> kinds of tabs.  If I get some time, I'll get this part working again.
>
> The other thought I had, which I've voiced here before, is that we need to
> make it a primary goal to have Lively be the vehicle of choice for us to do
> such mockups and presentations.  It was this commitment that made Squeak
> into the wonderful media tool that it is.  Furthermore, it's just not that
> hard.  If we just had 3 or 4 of us working on it for a month I think we
> could reach a major plateau.
>
> So I guess this could be a companion message to yours -- folks who want a
> no-coding project could help you out, and those who want some simple (*)
> coding projects could help make Lively into a better composition
> environment.
>
> And let's not forget the real challenge:
>     - to be able to build Phil's vision faster in LK than to mock it up
> elsewhere ;-)
>
>         - Dan
>
> (*) truly these are simple tweaks for the most part -- nothing like getting
> WebDAV or SVG working.  If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll post a
> starting task list in the next few days
>
> Seventy-eight people are subscribed to this mailing list for Lively.
> Eighteen people are subscribed to the digest. I want to find at least one
> individual who has interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's
> future and to help keep conversation related to this on this mailing
> list alive daily. No coding involved necessarily and it ought to be fun and
> rewarding.
>
>
> I made an effort to get started over at Google Drawings - Google
> Drawings already supports live collaboration. At some point these drawings
> could be exported as SVG and imported into Lively worlds. I'm also currently
> working on a design document to explain some of these drawings and related
> concepts.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Philip Weaver
>
>
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