[lively-kernel] Lively IDE Mockups

[Steve Wart]

My artistic ability is pretty much nil but I wholeheartedly support this
idea. After getting back into Smalltalk after several years of OS X and
iPhone programming it's not a stretch to say the user experience leaves
something to be desired.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Philip Weaver <philmaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> I want to find at least one individual on this mailing list who has
> interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's future and to help keep
> conversation related to this alive daily.
>
>
> Dan, I very much understand how drawing Lively mockups in Google Docs might
> be interpreted. I used to work at Apple and I understand the concept "not
> invented here." I also understand the preference to develop Lively and
> Smalltalk directly within itself.
>
>
> Yesterday evening I watched "The Pixar Story" on television. John Lassiter
> explained "Artists challenge the programmers. Programmers inspire the
> artists." This might be a challenge. Mockups I create will develop in Google
> Drawings until Lively becomes an application for vector illustration. Google
> Drawings does export to SVG.
>
>
>
> Some people look at an empty canvas and see nothing. Others look at Lively
> and don't understand. I want to help them understand today.
>
>
> I want to find at least one individual (out of 98) on this mailing list who
> has interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's future and to help
> keep conversation related to this alive daily.
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dan Ingalls <danhhingalls at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hi, Phil -
>>
>> Although I haven't said a word until now, it's only because I was
>> travelling and am still juggling a bunch of different responsibilities.
>>
>>         I really like what you did.
>>
>> I've been trying to juggle the notions of worlds and menus and palettes
>> for the many possible modes of use of  lively, and I think that tab-based
>> palette panels are ideal.  Integrating this with browsing is also very cool.
>>
>> I made a run at common code for windows and tabs at one point, which
>> should reduce the work to merely making palettes work with windows, except
>> it appears that code didn't make it through one of the windows updates.  My
>> theory was that tabbed panels are exactly like windows from the standpoint
>> of the content, and the only real difference is in the behavior of the two
>> kinds of tabs.  If I get some time, I'll get this part working again.
>>
>> The other thought I had, which I've voiced here before, is that we need to
>> make it a primary goal to have Lively be the vehicle of choice for us to do
>> such mockups and presentations.  It was this commitment that made Squeak
>> into the wonderful media tool that it is.  Furthermore, it's just not that
>> hard.  If we just had 3 or 4 of us working on it for a month I think we
>> could reach a major plateau.
>>
>> So I guess this could be a companion message to yours -- folks who want a
>> no-coding project could help you out, and those who want some simple (*)
>> coding projects could help make Lively into a better composition
>> environment.
>>
>> And let's not forget the real challenge:
>>     - to be able to build Phil's vision faster in LK than to mock it up
>> elsewhere ;-)
>>
>>         - Dan
>>
>> (*) truly these are simple tweaks for the most part -- nothing like
>> getting WebDAV or SVG working.  If someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll post
>> a starting task list in the next few days
>>
>> Seventy-eight people are subscribed to this mailing list for Lively.
>> Eighteen people are subscribed to the digest. I want to find at least one
>> individual who has interest in contributing to UI mockups for Lively's
>> future and to help keep conversation related to this on this mailing
>> list alive daily. No coding involved necessarily and it ought to be fun and
>> rewarding.
>>
>>
>> I made an effort to get started over at Google Drawings - Google
>> Drawings already supports live collaboration. At some point these drawings
>> could be exported as SVG and imported into Lively worlds. I'm also currently
>> working on a design document to explain some of these drawings and related
>> concepts.
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/lively-panel/
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Philip Weaver
>>
>>
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