[lively-kernel] product environment for educational apps
brad at bradfuller.com
Thu Mar 21 16:31:27 CET 2013
Thanks for the reply, Casey,
The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of accessing the
Internet securely - school IT departments have an issue - they don't
know who/what/ squeak is and going through the red tape is a potential
problem. And the web-browser plugin was always a bit of an issue as
well. I don't know if anyone is working on the plugin for web
browsers... but I want to deploy for easy inclusion in a browser... or
at the very least connect to the net.
I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on the Squeak-dev
ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a production environment
(which I admit I haven't actually defined what "production" means)
On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
> Etoys is in real use in real schools all over the place. I use it as a
> replacement for HyperCard at times myself. If you can be more specific
> about what's making you nervous about Etoys, that might help folks
> steer you in the right direction. If you pull up the preferences
> browser via the halo on the Etoys desktop, search for etoyfriendly,
> and disable it, you'll unlock the underlying Smalltalk programming
> environment (Squeak.) Squeak is *definitely* production (or maybe
> "product") worthy.
> Another system which is a bit easier to learn, but generally less
> powerful, is Scratch.
> Lively Kernel is a research system, so it's less likely to be "product
> like" than those two if that's what you're looking for.
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Brad Fuller <brad at bradfuller.com
> <mailto:brad at bradfuller.com>> wrote:
> Hi All,
> New to the list. Have several questions that Dan suggested you
> would have great insight.
> I'm researching better ways to help kids experientially learn (K-8
> primarily but up to college is planned). I have not yet found a
> platform or system better than etoys. But, etoys is not quite a
> production platform. And, I would like platform/system to be
> accessible everywhere. I've also contemplated deploying Django and
> writing the apps in Python.
> My questions: are there better alternatives? Could you offer
> avenues for further research into a production system? Would the
> lively-kernel be a good alternative? Or will it continue to be a
> prototyping system? Could I start a demo on lively-kernel and
> expect I could port it to a production environment (that is if
> lively-kernel or facsimile is planned for production.)
> Thanks much!
> Brad Fuller brad at bradfuller.com <mailto:brad at bradfuller.com>
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> Casey Ransberger
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