[lively-kernel] product environment for educational apps

Brad Fuller brad at bradfuller.com
Thu Mar 21 16:31:27 CET 2013

Thanks for the reply, Casey,

The particular issue I have with squeak is it's issue of accessing the 
Internet securely - school IT departments have an issue - they don't 
know who/what/ squeak is and going through the red tape is a potential 
problem.  And the web-browser plugin was always a bit of an issue as 
well. I don't know if anyone is working on the plugin for web 
browsers... but I want to deploy for easy inclusion in a browser... or 
at the very least connect to the net.

I don't usually cross-post, but I've included this msg on the Squeak-dev 
ML since you advocate the use of etoys in a production environment 
(which I admit I haven't actually defined what "production" means)

thanks again,

On 3/21/2013 3:08 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:
> Etoys is in real use in real schools all over the place. I use it as a 
> replacement for HyperCard at times myself. If you can be more specific 
> about what's making you nervous about Etoys, that might help folks 
> steer you in the right direction. If you pull up the preferences 
> browser via the halo on the Etoys desktop, search for etoyfriendly, 
> and disable it, you'll unlock the underlying Smalltalk programming 
> environment (Squeak.) Squeak is *definitely* production (or maybe 
> "product") worthy.
> Another system which is a bit easier to learn, but generally less 
> powerful, is Scratch.
> Lively Kernel is a research system, so it's less likely to be "product 
> like" than those two if that's what you're looking for.
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Brad Fuller <brad at bradfuller.com 
> <mailto:brad at bradfuller.com>> wrote:
>     Hi All,
>     New to the list. Have several questions that Dan suggested you
>     would have great insight.
>     I'm researching better ways to help kids experientially learn (K-8
>     primarily but up to college is planned). I have not yet found a
>     platform or system better than etoys. But, etoys is not quite a
>     production platform. And, I would like platform/system to be
>     accessible everywhere. I've also contemplated deploying Django and
>     writing the apps in Python.
>     My questions: are there better alternatives? Could you offer
>     avenues for further research into a production system? Would the
>     lively-kernel be a good alternative? Or will it continue to be a
>     prototyping system? Could I start a demo on lively-kernel and
>     expect I could port it to a production environment (that is if
>     lively-kernel or facsimile is planned for production.)
>     Thanks much!
>     brad
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